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The problem is -- Blacks are not being killed at a disproportionate rate - check the data. 

 

Yes they are. Raw number wise, there are more white men shot by cops, but compared to the percentage they makeup of our population, it's happening at a disproportionate rate.

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Mutants? Again, Christ almighty.

Well, Warrior Forum it is for me. Blatant racism just ain't my cup of tea.

I'm sorry  - when an organization advocates racism and killing, that to me is "mutant".  I didn't say all blacks are mutants.  I know a lot of blacks that do not support the BLM at all.  

 

Cops going off the handle and killing unarmed people are the problem -- make it a race thing is causing more problems.  I want to know why nobody is screaming over the unarmed white guy that was killed needlessly on the same day.  

 

That's why I say mutants -- they aren't thinking.........they're reacting, and they're reacting racially to a problem that's a power problem,  not racism. 

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Mutants? Again, Christ almighty.

Well, Warrior Forum it is for me. Blatant racism just ain't my cup of tea.

 

 

Damien,

 

I understand you're upset at that phrase that wasn't very sensitive, but I'm quite sure that wasn't aimed at your race as a whole, just the outside fringe that doesn't represent the whole, as Mike previously stated.

 

That being said, I really wish you wouldn't leave. Your opinions are just as important as anyone else's here. From what I've read of your posts, you are very intelligent and I for one, do look forward to your insights on many things.

 

Terra

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I do agree though that overall there is a problem with law enforcement.

 

The overwhelming majority of police officers and other law enforcement officers are fantastic. The others need to be reminded of what their job is or shown the door.

 

The problem is there is an inherent culture among police departments, and just about any cop will tell you this, where you don't rat on your own. Brotherhood is fantastic, but when that loyalty is chosen over doing what is right, that's a problem.

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Okay. I got caught up with this story this morning.

 

So the police killed one of the suspects, considering the level of force they were using and the fact that they were claiming there were bombs all over the place, I can see why they used a robot to blow the subject up.

 

So in this case, I can understand the actions taken by police.

 

Take what the police did out of context:

 

So the police, used a bomb, on a suspect, where there was no trial or jury?

 

As far as I know, it's completely legal as well. Once the deadly force becomes authorized (see my previous posts) there is no limitation on the force used.

 

So as long as the force used is compliant with international law (no nukes or chemical weapons) the police can use any weapon they want.

 

Do we really want the police blowing people up?

 

If that really is the best option, maybe the job of carrying out that action should be authorized and carried out by a federal agency, like the FBI?

 

Back to this Situation:

 

Again, it's way too early to know all the facts in this case, but since there seemed to be threats of the suspect detonating bombs on the police, I do see why they felt the actions they took were appropriate.

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I'm wondering if this horrific even would have occurred if two black men were not assassinated by two white cops this week? One for selling DVD's and one for a broken tail light. Then you have the guy choked to death in NY for selling loosies and the 12 year old kid shot within 5 seconds of the cops arriving for brandishing a water pistol. The list goes on and on. Mutants, all - I guess.

 

Like I said, I'm just wondering how much you expect a community to take before they lash out.

 

You want to put an end to this? Train law enforcement to deescalate a situation, put cop-cams on every officer that run 24/7 and get good cops to finger racists cops and get them removed from the force - quickly and permanently without the ability to simply move to a new city and start their behavior all over again. Is that really asking too much from a group that demands respect of the populace, without feeling that they have to respect anyone, their rights or their human dignity in return? I don't think so.

 

Life is a two-way street. For every 'mutant' BLM supporter there is at least one mutant cop.

 

Cheers. - Frank

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Yes they are. Raw number wise, there are more white men shot by cops, but compared to the percentage they makeup of our population, it's happening at a disproportionate rate.

Maybe.  Blacks are 13% of the population.  Whites are killed 2 to 1 - so you are right.  They are targeted more often. They also kill their own more often, too, though - look at Chicago.  That's not cops killing blacks, that's blacks killing blacks..........so if they want us to take this seriously -- they need to start taking it seriously.  

 

I felt for them until they started using violence and chanting to "kill whitey".  They lost me on that one.  I can be empathetic with peaceful protesters bringing a bad situation to attention.  I lose my empathy when they turn into a dangerous mob.  They need to figure that out. 

 

It gets real sad when a close friend turns to you and says "I wish I weren't black sometimes" -- and it's not because of what society thinks of them -- but because of how people of their own race are acting. 

 

Damien - that's why I say "mutants".  Because they have gone from a group with a justified cause to being an unhinged mob.  It's not a racist thing, even if isolated it may sound it.  I call any unhinged mob "mutants".  It's not okay for them to chant about killing cops or whites.  That's not a cause - that's a racist mob. 

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Damien,

 

I understand you're upset at that phrase that wasn't very sensitive

 

As a cracker assed honky I was taken aback by use of that phrase as well. Of all the adjectives that could have been used (dickheads, asshats, shit for brains, or even idiots, etc., etc., etc.), mutant was a poor choice. It isn't even a synonym of any of the aforementioned adjectives.

 

Racists, misogynists and other forms of bigots are usually unaware they actually are bigots because it is so natural to them. Now, I'll admit political correctness can go too far, however the ones rallying against PC the loudest are those that are pissed off because they can no longer get away with casual bigotry such as referring to different ethnicities as mutants, or women as broads.

 

When caught out being bigoted they invariably play the "political correctness gone mad" or even the "free speech" cards, which is dumb as there is no such thing as absolute free speech, otherwise we wouldn't have slander and libel laws.

 

Anyway, Sal has stated that there was no racist intentions in her use of that term, so we'll accept that and move on.

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AP wires on shootings:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-dallas-police-man-photo-turned-self-062018101.html

There's a whole bunch of misinformation floating around on certain media sites.

The wires are all official releases.

So for example: Add this media site to your list of tabloids, http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/dallas-sniper-shootings-thousands-call-black-lives-matter-be-recognised-terror-group-1569636

It was already stated by police in an official statement that he was not affiliated with the group.

That's kind of a complete 180 degree spin on the truth there.

The fact that the suspect was not affiliated, was filtered.

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Damien,

 

I understand you're upset at that phrase that wasn't very sensitive, but I'm quite sure that wasn't aimed at your race as a whole, just the outside fringe that doesn't represent the whole, as Mike previously stated.

 

That being said, I really wish you wouldn't leave. Your opinions are just as important as anyone else's here. From what I've read of your posts, you are very intelligent and I for one, do look forward to your insights on many things.

 

Terra

I looked at that post and saw where he might have thought I was being racist if he didn't know me and had never seen me use the term before.  So I  pm'd him said I was sorry and explained my terminology.  I use that word a lot. I know you've heard me say it more that a few times. 

 

Anyway.   What I read here somewhere was one shooter?   Reports elsewhere earlier said at least 2. Yeah it's filtered just like they call someone screaming Allah Akbar when shooting several people "not affiliated".  They're trying to keep skirmishes to a minimum.  People are hot on all sides right now. 

 

I'm starting to wonder if maybe my corner of the world out here in the sticks isn't just way sheltered from the rest of the country.  Cops out here can be dickheads - but they're in control of their faculties enough that if they are racist, it can't be seen in their official actions.  Blacks, whites, Mexicans all sit down beside each other and shoot the breeze and nobody really thinks about it either way.  If you hear any racial slurs at all it's usually the two old dudes - old pals -  sitting at a picnic table taunting each other over a beer or two.  If kids are disrespectful, moms or dads still smack them for it. There are few one parent families - kids mostly have moms and dads.  Jobs are scarce and times are tough, but there are no ghettos.  Neighbors act like neighbors.  It's kinda Andy in Mayberry - but that's a lot of why I like it.  Slow, friendly, no real crime.  We had some murderer come through not long ago and got caught when they stopped here and people still talk about it.  Small western towns with decent people. 

 

So maybe I am just sheltered living in corners of America that people still fly the flag and nobody is offended, and where neighbors not only know each other, but pitch in a little help when needed.  All that hate and turmoil is just stuff we see online and on TV.  

 

So maybe I'm just sheltered - but I think I'm just going to stay that way, thanks.  

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Joe Walsh's tweet is disgusting beyond imagination.

https://twitter.com/AllMattNYT/status/751281426784329728/photo/1

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/08/politics/joe-walsh-obama-war-tweet/index.html?sr=fbpol070816joe-walsh-obama-war-tweet1248PMVODtopLink&linkId=26338017

I would quote it here but I'm honestly concerned I would get investigated by the FBI.

That's a great way to throw gasoline onto a fire and simultaneously destroy your own reputation.

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I looked at that post and saw where he might have thought I was being racist if he didn't know me and had never seen me use the term before.  So I  pm'd him said I was sorry and explained my terminology.  I use that word a lot. I know you've heard me say it more that a few times. 

 

Anyway.   What I read here somewhere was one shooter?   Reports elsewhere earlier said at least 2. Yeah it's filtered just like they call someone screaming Allah Akbar when shooting several people "not affiliated".  They're trying to keep skirmishes to a minimum.  People are hot on all sides right now. 

 

I'm starting to wonder if maybe my corner of the world out here in the sticks isn't just way sheltered from the rest of the country.  Cops out here can be dickheads - but they're in control of their faculties enough that if they are racist, it can't be seen in their official actions.  Blacks, whites, Mexicans all sit down beside each other and shoot the breeze and nobody really thinks about it either way.  If you hear any racial slurs at all it's usually the two old dudes - old pals -  sitting at a picnic table taunting each other over a beer or two.  If kids are disrespectful, moms or dads still smack them for it. There are few one parent families - kids mostly have moms and dads.  Jobs are scarce and times are tough, but there are no ghettos.  Neighbors act like neighbors.  It's kinda Andy in Mayberry - but that's a lot of why I like it.  Slow, friendly, no real crime.  We had some murderer come through not long ago and got caught when they stopped here and people still talk about it.  Small western towns with decent people. 

 

So maybe I am just sheltered living in corners of America that people still fly the flag and nobody is offended, and where neighbors not only know each other, but pitch in a little help when needed.  All that hate and turmoil is just stuff we see online and on TV.  

 

So maybe I'm just sheltered - but I think I'm just going to stay that way, thanks.  

 

 

That's the way it is here in my neck of the woods too. That's the way it was while growing up and the way it is in my neighborhood right now.

 

I rather like being sheltered and that's why you'll never see me become a city girl. I much rather prefer liking people for who they are rather than what race they're from. That would be silly especially with me most likely being predominantly neanderthal, haha!  ;)

 

 

Terra

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Kay -

 

There are fringe groups in just about every organization. I don't think the bad actors in BLM really represent the group as a whole or what they stand for any more than Islamic terrorists represent Islam as a whole, or any more than Cliven Bundy, who actively threatened force against Federal officers, represents all conservatives even though many tried to prop him up as such. I don't think the Westboro Baptist Church represents Christianity, but they are a Christian organization.

 

You have to remember that the organization is a fairly young organization. There is no real structure or leadership to it at this point. People are going to latch on to it who don't truly understand what it is about, but they are just angry.

 

Kay -

 

There are fringe groups in just about every organization. I don't think the bad actors in BLM really represent the group as a whole or what they stand for any more than Islamic terrorists represent Islam as a whole, or any more than Cliven Bundy, who actively threatened force against Federal officers, represents all conservatives even though many tried to prop him up as such. I don't think the Westboro Baptist Church represents Christianity, but they are a Christian organization.

 

You have to remember that the organization is a fairly young organization. There is no real structure or leadership to it at this point. People are going to latch on to it who don't truly understand what it is about, but they are just angry.

 

 

Wait a minute -- Clive Bundy never advocated force against anyone.  I've been with the land grab activists for years now.  Bundy was having his land stolen - he was winning his case in court and the politicians that had his land slated to be sold to a solar corporation from China decided to send a militia out there.  His family was going to be Waco'd so several hundred armed people showed up to stop it.  No shots were fired. The feds were told to move out.  The next week the adjoining county formally decreed that federal officials in that county acting without permission and escort of county officials would be jailed.  Now - that's from the inside and not from the "official" report.  Also from the inside.  I knew La Voy.  (Bend Oregon protest).  No shots fired except by the FBI who illegally ambushed his rig. The BLM (not black lives - Bureau of Land.......) office was invaded because the protesters were trying to get their hands on the records that proved what was going on out there - implicated Hillary Clinton.  She (her "foundation) was out to sell that land, which is uranium rich, to a Russian mining corporation. La Voy was on his way to a county meeting with some evidence when he was ambushed.  A lot of people sold out.  One family refused and were harassed then later jailed.  That's what's going on in the West right now.  Utah is now in court - TX was in court, I think they are done with that one - Idaho is going into court now over it.  Not sure where Battle Mountain, NV is on it right now - I think they won. Oregon officials sold out and they are allowing grabs to continue.  They, by the way, have a rep that was not elected.  

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Joe Walsh's tweet is disgusting beyond imagination.

https://twitter.com/AllMattNYT/status/751281426784329728/photo/1

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/08/politics/joe-walsh-obama-war-tweet/index.html?sr=fbpol070816joe-walsh-obama-war-tweet1248PMVODtopLink&linkId=26338017

I would quote it here but I'm honestly concerned I would get investigated by the FBI.

That's a great way to throw gasoline onto a fire and simultaneously destroy your own reputation.

 

:o  :o  :huh:

 

Isn't it against the law to threaten the President of the United States?

 

I'm surprised that idiot didn't have a white hood over his head!

 

Grrrr!

 

I cannot stand white supremacists! I cannot stand haters! 

 

I had better stop now before I say something I'll be embarrassed about later.  -_-

 

 

Terra

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:o  :o  :huh:

 

Isn't it against the law to threaten the President of the United States?

 

I'm surprised that idiot didn't have a white hood over his head!

 

Grrrr!

 

I cannot stand white supremacists! I cannot stand haters! 

 

I had better stop now before I say something I'll be embarrassed about later.  -_-

 

 

Terra

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No, it will hold up in court. But nobody is going to read it that way. People will read between the lines.

 

Most people will read and comprehend it as:

 

Statement

Threats

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Threats

 

And I'm sure he knew what he was doing, saying, and what people would think. Which is what makes it really sickening coming from a former congressmen.

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That's the way it is here in my neck of the woods too. That's the way it was while growing up and the way it is in my neighborhood right now.

 

I rather like being sheltered and that's why you'll never see me become a city girl. I much rather prefer liking people for who they are rather than what race they're from. That would be silly especially with me most likely being predominantly neanderthal, haha!  ;)

 

 

Terra

In your own neighborhood, maybe.  You're sitting between Flint, Detroit, Pontiac, and Dearborn.  All high crime - ghettos, gangs, population dense areas.  I didn't even find Clarkston that friendly a place. Not somewhere I walked even with an almost 200 lb rotty without being armed after dark.  

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In your own neighborhood, maybe.  You're sitting between Flint, Detroit, Pontiac, and Dearborn.  All high crime - ghettos, gangs, population dense areas.  I didn't even find Clarkston that friendly a place. Not somewhere I walked even with an almost 200 lb rotty without being armed after dark.  

 

 

I'm talking Lake Orion, Oxford, Clarkston, Ortonville, Goodrich, Metamora and Lapeer.  Very friendly, neighborly people where we all watch out for each other.

 

Seriously? In Clarkston?

 

You must have been in the snobby part of town. Not very friendly, but not violent or dangerous at all!

 

 

Terra

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Ya know who I feel sorry for right now?  I feel sorry for that poor woman who sat in that car recording her man being murdered while not knowing if she was next or if she'd live through it.  I wonder what she's thinking seeing all these people rioting and being killed.  I bet she wanted justice and to see that cop in jail...........but I am betting that all this carnage and rioting was the last thing she would have wanted.  

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I'm talking Lake Orion, Oxford, Clarkston, Ortonville, Goodrich, Metamora and Lapeer.  Very friendly, neighborly people where we all watch out for each other.

 

Seriously? In Clarkston?

 

You must been in the snobby part of town. Not very friendly, but not violent or dangerous at all!

 

 

Terra

You know where I was.  I walked right past your house more than once - after dark.  Armed. That main drag there - Sashabaw?  During the day -- armed.

 

Clarkston crime rates (all crimes) 2015 - 35 per sq mile.  Chances of being a victim 1 in 50. 

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Statement

Threat

Advice

Advice

Threat

No, it will hold up in court. But nobody is going to read it that way. People will read between the lines.

 

Most people will read and comprehend it as:

 

Statement

Threats

Threats

Threats

Threats

 

And I'm sure he knew what he was doing, saying, and what people would think. Which is what makes it really sickening coming from a former congressmen.

 

I can't agree with you more!

 

Some of this country's leaders are so warped, it's despicable!

 

What were the people that elected them thinking???

 

 

Terra

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You know where I was.  I walked right past your house more than once - after dark.  Armed. That main drag there - Sashabaw?  During the day -- armed. 

 

 

I live quite a ways from Sashabaw, but don't find it scary in the least. The only time I won't walk Sashabaw is on a concert night. That is scary!

 

 

Terra

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Clarkston crime rates (all crimes) 2015 - 35 per sq mile.  Chances of being a victim 1 in 50. 

 

1 in 50 is the property crime rate.

 

The violent crime rate is 1 in 10,000

 

Now if you were a house or a vehicle, I could understand your fear.

 

See for yourself... 

 
 
You can also see that one of the safest neighborhoods is the Clarkston Rd./Sashabaw Rd. area.  ;)
 
 
Terra
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I live quite a ways from Sashabaw, but don't find it scary in the least. The only time I won't walk Sashabaw is on a concert night. That is scary!

 

 

Terra

Well, crime is a lot higher out there than the pretty facade of the place would indicate so be careful out there. You're only a few miles at max off the main drag and  you're right by that park.  It's not as safe as you think.  Trust me on that one.  Crime there - I presume though is not racially motivated. Crime is crime, though.  You'd most likely be target for a mugger or rapist.   If you're out after dark on your own - make sure you have your concealed carry with you.

 

1 in 10,000 is murder rate - not general violent crime.  1 in 50 is all crime. 

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Joe Walsh's tweet is disgusting beyond imagination.

https://twitter.com/AllMattNYT/status/751281426784329728/photo/1

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/08/politics/joe-walsh-obama-war-tweet/index.html?sr=fbpol070816joe-walsh-obama-war-tweet1248PMVODtopLink&linkId=26338017

I would quote it here but I'm honestly concerned I would get investigated by the FBI.

That's a great way to throw gasoline onto a fire and simultaneously destroy your own reputation.

 

 

Yeah, what the hell was he thinking?

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Yeah, what the hell was he thinking?

He wasn't thinking - he was reacting in his own way...not a good way.  He then removed the comment --- so why are people telling others to "repost" it?

The only purpose in re-tweeting such hateful drivel is to flog emotions - feed the hate and the anger...and what does that accomplish?

 

It's rhetoric, just as the "kill the pigs", "burn it down" and "f the cops" is rhetoric....free speech counts even when we don't like what is said.

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