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I have had to mess with my Mothers apple air, recently to get things set up, and l don't like it much.

https://www.apple.com/au/macbook-air/

If you don't use it enough, the code, resets, and then you need to input a code that doesn't work, in order to reset it.

Or you need another Apple device to reset the code. :saint:

 

Then Safari, groan, l cannot get my head around that cryptic nightmare, of windows in windows and the screen shifting.

And had to install Firefox, for some sanity.

 

But Firefox won't allow "Tools" and such up the top" and deleting a bookmark, groan, took me half an hour to figure that out, (Windows, left click, and delete).

 

I know that the purists, will be all lovey-dovvy about it, but l am going off Apple for browsing online.

 

Sifting through photos, may be more of the same, easy on Windows 7, and Apple, no arrows and you have to sift through or click on each one.

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The antiques O/S Roadshow. I was able to make my way around my ex-wives (when still married) 2010 Mac-book Pro. It was ok. I was even able to upgrade it once I got the specialist screwdrivers. Copied/Cloned the HDD to an SSD via USB, swopped it out and doubled the ram, 4 to 8 gigs. (max for that model), even flushed the Pram so it booted up in 15 seconds instead of 2.5 minutes (coupled with the SSD). As to the O/S, had been updated to the most recent compatible with it. All made a difference. It's what your used to but you can adapt. 

So your mother bought the new M1 Macbook Air?

Currently looking at the Windows 11 Debacle and the possibility that it will not work on machines less than 8th gen Intel or equivalent. I found a third party tool to check compatibility, (Microsoft removed theirs temporarily for upgrades) my machine passed but it is a recent i9, all checked out ok. Four more years of Windows 10 until support stops in 2025, October and if lower than i8, allegedly that then you will have to chuck your machine away going by what's being said at the moment.

Funnily enough, the Windows 11 O/S that Microsoft is giving to developers have no real restrictions. Microsoft are currently being lambasted for the alleged restrictions they will put in place when the final version comes out later this year on all new machines sold. The free upgrade to Windows 10 users will not be available till 2022

So Shane, that makes it nearly 3 newer versions of Windows you are now behind. I hope your Laptop never fails, for the preservation of the old Photoshop usage. What will you do, buy a second hand one?

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9 hours ago, Lanfear63 said:

The antiques O/S Roadshow. I was able to make my way around my ex-wives (when still married) 2010 Mac-book Pro. It was ok. I was even able to upgrade it once I got the specialist screwdrivers. Copied/Cloned the HDD to an SSD via USB, swopped it out and doubled the ram, 4 to 8 gigs. (max for that model), even flushed the Pram so it booted up in 15 seconds instead of 2.5 minutes (coupled with the SSD). As to the O/S, had been updated to the most recent compatible with it. All made a difference. It's what your used to but you can adapt. 

You build your own PC,s admit it, (l built two, one under supervision and one at home). But putting in a Pentium 4, is always scary.

9 hours ago, Lanfear63 said:

So your mother bought the new M1 Macbook Air?

Yep, my Apple purist brother convinced her it was better than Windows. But he tends to pray to Apple, so...

Like learn to manage a lack of available memory, (256) and l would say, screw that, and go for something with at least a terabyte, or Windows, since Apple is typically 5k, for a comparable system, (and sure it is SSD, instead of disk, but still) a lot more expensive.

9 hours ago, Lanfear63 said:

Currently looking at the Windows 11 Debacle and the possibility that it will not work on machines less than 8th gen Intel or equivalent. I found a third party tool to check compatibility, (Microsoft removed theirs temporarily for upgrades) my machine passed but it is a recent i9, all checked out ok. Four more years of Windows 10 until support stops in 2025, October and if lower than i8, allegedly that then you will have to chuck your machine away going by what's being said at the moment.

The newbies are drooling and more seasoned are not, but for me windows 10 and 11, is like deciding between, Maderna or Pfizer.

9 hours ago, Lanfear63 said:

Funnily enough, the Windows 11 O/S that Microsoft is giving to developers have no real restrictions. Microsoft are currently being lambasted for the alleged restrictions they will put in place when the final version comes out later this year on all new machines sold. The free upgrade to Windows 10 users will not be available till 2022

They are really just giving w10 for their dedicated laptops, adding some more bells and spyware and releasing it on all platforms as 11. And l agree it looks nicer.

9 hours ago, Lanfear63 said:

So Shane, that makes it nearly 3 newer versions of Windows you are now behind. I hope your Laptop never fails, for the preservation of the old Photoshop usage. What will you do, buy a second hand one?

https://www.mwave.com.au/product/toshiba-dynabook-satellite-pro-c40h-14-laptop-i71065g7-16gb-512gb-win10-pro-ac44700?gclid=CjwKCAjwlYCHBhAQEiwA4K21m8zEV6sQPDZbI93naAOD0lbCq0q6ZDBf2G3LG9diQieNxrXPg9Db0xoCmN8QAvD_BwE

Just ran a quick check and there are plenty of new ones still available from a few years ago, but with 500gigs instead of 1tb, so to answer your question l would buy the most up to date one, pay some professionals to put in a 1tb SSD, and 7 Pro again.

And maybe get several, or go over to Apple and put up with its annoyances.

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6 hours ago, Tagiscom said:

You build your own PC,s admit it, (l built two, one under supervision and one at home). But putting in a Pentium 4, is always scary.

Yep, my Apple purist brother convinced her it was better than Windows. But he tends to pray to Apple, so...

Like learn to manage a lack of available memory, (256) and l would say, screw that, and go for something with at least a terabyte, or Windows, since Apple is typically 5k, for a comparable system, (and sure it is SSD, instead of disk, but still) a lot more expensive.

The newbies are drooling and more seasoned are not, but for me windows 10 and 11, is like deciding between, Maderna or Pfizer.

They are really just giving w10 for their dedicated laptops, adding some more bells and spyware and releasing it on all platforms as 11. And l agree it looks nicer.

https://www.mwave.com.au/product/toshiba-dynabook-satellite-pro-c40h-14-laptop-i71065g7-16gb-512gb-win10-pro-ac44700?gclid=CjwKCAjwlYCHBhAQEiwA4K21m8zEV6sQPDZbI93naAOD0lbCq0q6ZDBf2G3LG9diQieNxrXPg9Db0xoCmN8QAvD_BwE

Just ran a quick check and there are plenty of new ones still available from a few years ago, but with 500gigs instead of 1tb, so to answer your question l would buy the most up to date one, pay some professionals to put in a 1tb SSD, and 7 Pro again.

And maybe get several, or go over to Apple and put up with its annoyances.

:P

No, never built a PC, only updated a few. I would never engage in such a task. My last triumph was to give my friend my old PC a year or so ago, hers was failing, and cloned her Windows installation, after a cleanup (Windows 10), from her old HD to an SSD plugged in to a USB port on hers with an off the shelf special cable. Then I put the SSD in my old one, crossed my fingers. It worked right out of the box! She was able to continue where she left off. 

So given that it was a 4th Gen Intel, she will have to get a new one in October 2025 unless Microsoft change there tune. Oh well, at least she will get 6 years out of it..

Can you run an old version of Photoshop an a new Mac?

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3 hours ago, Lanfear63 said:

No, never built a PC, only updated a few. I would never engage in such a task. My last triumph was to give my friend my old PC a year or so ago, hers was failing, and cloned her Windows installation, after a cleanup (Windows 10), from her old HD to an SSD plugged in to a USB port on hers with an off the shelf special cable. Then I put the SSD in my old one, crossed my fingers. It worked right out of the box! She was able to continue where she left off. 

So given that it was a 4th Gen Intel, she will have to get a new one in October 2025 unless Microsoft change there tune. Oh well, at least she will get 6 years out of it..

Can you run an old version of Photoshop an a new Mac?

Probably, but the updates would cripple it eventually.

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I gave it another go. I'm in.

My criticism of Apple has always been that you could get a more powerful PC for 60-70% of the cost. The new M1 chips changed that. 

I picked up a MacBook Pro. Liked it. Then I grabbed a Mac Mini a few days later.

The only downside is I got versions with 256GB SSD drives, but I mostly use Google Drive and I have an external 1 TB drive that I can share between the machines. 

I cannot believe how powerful these machines are.

The OS is an adjustment, but I do like how easily everything moves between multiple systems.

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2 hours ago, Mike Friedman said:

I gave it another go. I'm in.

My criticism of Apple has always been that you could get a more powerful PC for 60-70% of the cost. The new M1 chips changed that. 

I picked up a MacBook Pro. Liked it. Then I grabbed a Mac Mini a few days later.

The only downside is I got versions with 256GB SSD drives, but I mostly use Google Drive and I have an external 1 TB drive that I can share between the machines. 

I cannot believe how powerful these machines are.

The OS is an adjustment, but I do like how easily everything moves between multiple systems.

Agreed, it looks nice, and if you format it correctly, (don't ask me, my brother set that up) all new software, will appear as an icon, down the bottom, in the search, thing.

VLC Media Player requires, access codes to your Apple Cloud, etc, in order to install it, and with our trigger happy Premier, my brother won't be coming over anytime soon, with his Iphone to fix the code issue, before mentioned.

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On 8/8/2021 at 6:08 AM, Mike Friedman said:

I gave it another go. I'm in.

My criticism of Apple has always been that you could get a more powerful PC for 60-70% of the cost. The new M1 chips changed that. 

I picked up a MacBook Pro. Liked it. Then I grabbed a Mac Mini a few days later.

The only downside is I got versions with 256GB SSD drives, but I mostly use Google Drive and I have an external 1 TB drive that I can share between the machines. 

I cannot believe how powerful these machines are.

The OS is an adjustment, but I do like how easily everything moves between multiple systems.

These machines will not be repairable by a third party and I hope that you bought Applecare so they can give you a new one if a component fails because I don't think Apple themselves can repair them, so glued or soldered down everything is. 

As to the M1 chip, no criticism. They are fast and powerful. However, you are locked into what you bought and non upgradable, so I hope they give you many years of service before anything fails.

My criticism of Microsoft Windows 11 doing a cut off at 8th gen machines regarding being upgradable to it is equally exasperating. I hope they change their tune as Windows 10 will be retired in just over 4 years. To some who own gen 7 or before, that means they have a perfectly good machine but will feel threatened to continue using Windows 10 because of lack of support and security.

These computer software and hardware manufactures are batshit crazy. They are so steeped in their own computer geek logic they fail to see the backlash from users.     

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On 8/8/2021 at 7:08 PM, Mike Friedman said:

I gave it another go. I'm in.

My criticism of Apple has always been that you could get a more powerful PC for 60-70% of the cost. The new M1 chips changed that. 

I picked up a MacBook Pro. Liked it. Then I grabbed a Mac Mini a few days later.

The only downside is I got versions with 256GB SSD drives, but I mostly use Google Drive and I have an external 1 TB drive that I can share between the machines. 

I cannot believe how powerful these machines are.

The OS is an adjustment, but I do like how easily everything moves between multiple systems.

What would you prefer and recommend, a MacBook Pro or a Mac Mini?

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5 hours ago, Lanfear63 said:

These machines will not be repairable by a third party and I hope that you bought Applecare so they can give you a new one if a component fails because I don't think Apple themselves can repair them, so glued or soldered down everything is. 

As to the M1 chip, no criticism. They are fast and powerful. However, you are locked into what you bought and non upgradable, so I hope they give you many years of service before anything fails.

My criticism of Microsoft Windows 11 doing a cut off at 8th gen machines regarding being upgradable to it is equally exasperating. I hope they change their tune as Windows 10 will be retired in just over 4 years. To some who own gen 7 or before, that means they have a perfectly good machine but will feel threatened to continue using Windows 10 because of lack of support and security.

These computer software and hardware manufactures are batshit crazy. They are so steeped in their own computer geek logic they fail to see the backlash from users.     

I'm aware of the limitations on repairs and the inability to upgrade them. However, I've never gotten more than about 3 years use out of any Windows laptop, so for about $1000, if I top that, it's a win. Not to mention that the last year of that 3rd year was usually dreadful with fans running at full RPMs and the laptops struggling with heat and performance.

I upgrade computers fairly often, so the Windows 11 cutoff won't be an issue for me, but I can see how it would be for others. A lot could change in the next few years though.

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Just now, mallennig said:

What would you prefer and recommend, a MacBook Pro or a Mac Mini?

They are nearly identical except that the Mac Mini will have a bit better cooling and has more plugs. 

It really comes down to whether or not you want to be portable. 

If you want to be portable, then the MacBook Pro or MacBook Air is the obvious choice. The MacBook Air is what I would go with at $200 cheaper unless you plan on doing some video editing or graphic editing. The MacBook Air has only passive cooling, no fan. That is sufficient for most use, but I wanted the fan for when I do some video editing.

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On 8/11/2021 at 1:43 AM, Mike Friedman said:

They are nearly identical except that the Mac Mini will have a bit better cooling and has more plugs. 

It really comes down to whether or not you want to be portable. 

If you want to be portable, then the MacBook Pro or MacBook Air is the obvious choice. The MacBook Air is what I would go with at $200 cheaper unless you plan on doing some video editing or graphic editing. The MacBook Air has only passive cooling, no fan. That is sufficient for most use, but I wanted the fan for when I do some video editing.

Thanks!

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On 8/10/2021 at 12:39 PM, Mike Friedman said:

I'm aware of the limitations on repairs and the inability to upgrade them. However, I've never gotten more than about 3 years use out of any Windows laptop, so for about $1000, if I top that, it's a win. Not to mention that the last year of that 3rd year was usually dreadful with fans running at full RPMs and the laptops struggling with heat and performance.

I upgrade computers fairly often, so the Windows 11 cutoff won't be an issue for me, but I can see how it would be for others. A lot could change in the next few years though.

Ahhh, so you only buy Laptops normally? Do or did you travel a lot? I have a 17" late i7 Gen 10 Dell XPS Laptop (which tested ok for Win 11 compatibility amazingly) It has a solid metal chassis, folds right back to make a huge tablet and touch screen (never use it in that way) 16 gigs of ram, graphics card and a load of extra optane memory which makes it start up and run really fast. Cost was 1,100 dollars. I see it lasting years (he said optimistically)  I will agree with the fact that 4-5-600 dollar laptops have a life of about 4 years, especially if you use them a lot and take them on travels. but, the build on mine is excellent. You get what you pay for. 

My Ex is still using her 2010 Macbook Pro, nearly 12 years old then. I doubled the memory on it from  4 to 8 gigs and put a one Terabyte SSD in it, flushed the pram and it does start up and run a lot faster. Yes, they are built well but it did cost her $2,600.00.

As to the Windows Desktops,  I have a 14 month old Dell XPS top of the line I9 and specked out  The modest (now donated to a friend) 500 dollar Dell I bought back in 2014 is still going strong. Generation 4 I5 and I put an SSD in it, what a difference. 

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12 hours ago, Lanfear63 said:

Ahhh, so you only buy Laptops normally? Do or did you travel a lot?

Actually, I rarely buy laptops. They are just way harder to work off of all day. I've always preferred a desktop with my dual monitors. 

However, based on a few new clients it would seem there is some travel in my future, if the South stops trying to send us back into lockdowns here.

My luck with laptops has not been good in the past. I've had Dell's, Asus, and HP models. I've had everything from mid-range to higher end ($1500 or so) laptops. They all have left me disappointed.

 

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On 8/18/2021 at 6:46 AM, Mike Friedman said:

Actually, I rarely buy laptops. They are just way harder to work off of all day. I've always preferred a desktop with my dual monitors. 

However, based on a few new clients it would seem there is some travel in my future, if the South stops trying to send us back into lockdowns here.

My luck with laptops has not been good in the past. I've had Dell's, Asus, and HP models. I've had everything from mid-range to higher end ($1500 or so) laptops. They all have left me disappointed.

 

I think my favorite brand of late is Dell. HP's reputation is not great, cheap components. Repair people do not like them. I had a state of the art (at the time) HP desktop in the late 2000's which got fried by lightning after several years despite having a spike protector on the mains. The HD I liberated from it and cut my hand up as it was buried at the bottom of the machine. Bad layout. An HP laptop lasted a few years and the HDMI port packed up. (had it connected to a TV) In 2006-7 I bought a Vista original Gateway Laptop. Solid build and still works today though not used it for years. I actually used it so much I wore a little trench into the trackpad. Lol. 

As to Asus, I have a 32" 4k monitor of 14 months, still going strong. I had a 200 dollar Asus router about 8 years back. It lasted 2 years, pretty much fried itself, got that hot. 

On printers, my Canon MX330 from 2006-7 is still going strong. My forays into Epson and HP printers have all met with disaster in the past. Canon wins hands down. Interesting that printer models are around for several years, they don't change them that often. 

Yes, much prefer desktops, trackpads are awkward, love the mouse, full keyboards and big screens, but for travelling, laptops are a necessary evil. Tablets are ugh, An alternative would be to buy an inexpensive portable PC (like the Mac mini only a PC version. Mac Mini too expensive to travel with), a keyboard, mouse and small portable monitor. Never tried that configuration as yet. 

For the most part, I find Windows 10 (and I expect 11) to have been very stable. Almost to you where you don't have to think about the O/S anymore, it just works. In a way, I miss the challenge, LOL.

I think, if you are lucky, the max life on any machine is about 10 years. But, the attraction of newer and faster makes you want a new device every 3-4 years. Lol. I generally will go 5-6 years. 

PS: My laptop has a touchscreen, never use it. I think they are lame as you have to lift your hands up in the air, soon get tired of doing that. Not a fan of tablets with on screen keyboards either. 

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22 minutes ago, Lanfear63 said:

On printers, my Canon MX330 from 2006-7 is still going strong. My forays into Epson and HP printers have all met with disaster in the past. Canon wins hands down. Interesting that printer models are around for several years, they don't change them that often. 

I have a Brother laser printer that is probably 8 or 9 years old now. Still works perfectly. Only issue with it is sometimes when I scan things, it pulls them in slightly crooked. You would probably not even notice it unless I pointed it out to you, but I know about it so see it all the time. There is probably an easy solution to fix it. Just need to clean some spools or something I'm sure.

Cannot emphasize enough how much better it is to have a laser printer than a inkjet printer. We don't even print off that much stuff, but I was buying new inkjet cartridges about every 2 months at like $20-30 a piece. With the laster printer, I have replaced the toner cartridges twice. I think the black one I may have replaced 3 times now. And they are not that expensive. When I got it, I think it was about $450. The printer has more than paid for itself.

25 minutes ago, Lanfear63 said:

For the most part, I find Windows 10 (and I expect 11) to have been very stable. Almost to you where you don't have to think about the O/S anymore, it just works. In a way, I miss the challenge, LOL.

I honestly have not had an issues with Windows 10. It's been pretty stable for me as well. One time I had to reinstall it. That was it. I'm sure WIndows 11 will be similar.

Honestly, 90% of the reason I moved to Mac last month was I wanted something distinctly different for work. I did not want to even be tempted to use it for anything other than work. It was that and the fact that thanks to the M1 chips I could get a relatively comparable machine for about the same price as a PC.

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14 minutes ago, Mike Friedman said:

I have a Brother laser printer that is probably 8 or 9 years old now. Still works perfectly. Only issue with it is sometimes when I scan things, it pulls them in slightly crooked. You would probably not even notice it unless I pointed it out to you, but I know about it so see it all the time. There is probably an easy solution to fix it. Just need to clean some spools or something I'm sure.

Cannot emphasize enough how much better it is to have a laser printer than a inkjet printer. We don't even print off that much stuff, but I was buying new inkjet cartridges about every 2 months at like $20-30 a piece. With the laster printer, I have replaced the toner cartridges twice. I think the black one I may have replaced 3 times now. And they are not that expensive. When I got it, I think it was about $450. The printer has more than paid for itself.

I honestly have not had an issues with Windows 10. It's been pretty stable for me as well. One time I had to reinstall it. That was it. I'm sure WIndows 11 will be similar.

Honestly, 90% of the reason I moved to Mac last month was I wanted something distinctly different for work. I did not want to even be tempted to use it for anything other than work. It was that and the fact that thanks to the M1 chips I could get a relatively comparable machine for about the same price as a PC.

My main observation about Mac O/S was the fact that their are a lot more programs for Windows than Mac. But of course if you have all you need to do the work on a Mac then that's all fine. I just liked the wider range of choices. But it does have its problems, all this third party software.

Having retired from working for a community college, one of the perks is that they give you lifetime free use of Office 365 and The whole Adobe Suite. You retain your college Edu email and status (educators, although I worked in accounts payable). The salary was not that great but nice perks. So I have those programs on my PC.

Now, I use Outlook for my email and had it set for Imap and checks for new email every 60 seconds. However, when I first started using it every day or so I had to re-boot because Outlook became unresponsive to open (this fixed it). Just before it re-booted it said Outlook was shutting down. Hmm. So I looked for solutions, a known bug with various fixes by googling it, none worked.

So, About a year ago, I found a paid program called Restorio. Claimed to fix anything and loaded all the latest drivers from its database. Bought and ran it a few times. It was highly acclaimed but did not solve the issue. After a third run of it, I could not open Microsoft programs, because Restorio had restored Windows 10 back to "Prior Activation Date" OMG. So I had to feign ignorance of this program and called Amazon as the PC was under warranty. Surprisingly, because it was a high end machine I apparently had top line anything  support from Dell for a year and was put through to a tech within 30 seconds. The tech remoted in and fixed it. I was lucky. Needless to say, Restorio is no longer on my machine.

The issue with Outlook still exists but only happens once a week now. If it ain't that broke, leave well alone. The pro's and cons of third party software.  It does not happen often but Apples tight infrastructure ensures it never happens. I can appreciate that side of the argument. Lol. 

Never tried Brother Printers or toner based ones. Have had no problems with buying third party cheap replacement cartridges from Amazon for the Canon though. These days, I rarely use the printer function, more the scanner part. 

Having cloned 10 a number of times to an SSD. I do like how you can then put that SSD into another machine and it adjusts itself and  works. 

 

 

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Me, l have a Brother lazer printer, which is connected to the WiFI, so can be used in the house, from the laptop, (my previous Brother broke down).

And my old PC, lasted me for about 15 years, with a good many of them in a stinking hot apartment, (the CRT moniter, was crackling). And l was on that PC day and night. It broke recently, so l have my Toshiba, i7, laptop, with a less powerful one as a backup.

Gone from Windows XP, to 7 to 7Pro.

Thrashed the old, Toshiba laptop for 6 years, with no serious issues. Thrashed the new one for 4 years, with a few hard disk issues, that l have appeared to fixed.

:P

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